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Post by Tear.dr0ps on Nov 26, 2006 22:16:05 GMT -5
Collision what do you use?
I use Adobe photoshot Elements 3.0 and Gimp
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Post by geishy on Nov 27, 2006 15:58:50 GMT -5
ok, i know we're trying to find out whats wrong here....so its my turn. I think that the shade of the wings is too constant, theres barely any shadow from the feathers, which might be the problem. Also your horse has a beautifully contrasted body, alot of reds and blues. You want to isolate the red in your wings to give the illusion that they match. Isolating the blue would make a very very dark affect which you would mostly use for black horses, or horses with darker wings. So here are some adobe photoshop elements tips from me, maybe they might come into use if you could translate between the programs:
1. use the eye dropper and choose a shade of red from around your wing area (top of the thigh, or anywhere else u can find the red) 2. duplicate the wings layer/s 3. desaturate the duplicaterd layer (make it black and white) 4. Colorize (i don't know if your program has this sort of option, or if u know about it...) the duplicated layer of wings with the color you chose with the eye dropper 5. lower the opacity of the duplicated layer so it looks like a slight shade of red.
*Also* if u can, i don't know anything about your brand of photoshop, but if you can, up the contrast a little, to maybe add some natural color before trying the tips above, to see if some natural shades work. OR- try it after to see if it helps blend the wings in.
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Post by theft on Nov 28, 2006 20:18:30 GMT -5
as probably the least experienced pic maker here and probably the least talented, i just want to note two things u may want to look at. the way the wings come on to the horse is perfect, but notice how they seem to stretch too far towards the shoulder. i'll use collisions (marvelous) picture as an example, the wings show off the wither of the horse witch give it a beautifuly realistic affect. mayby if u slice off some wing and make it curve down toward the barrel instead of spreading out towards the shoulder and on to the neck, it would look nicer. i also noticed the legs and how they come into the water. Personally, i would be too lazy to make a splash and would enlarge the horse so i didn't have to blur so much. I think this would also show off the reflection of the horse's limbs if u did it right. also a personal note, i wouldn't over do the background, not that u did. But I would cram things together a bit- to me it take the blah away from an image. tear's and collisian's pics r great examples of that. i also like some weird blotchy stuff like what espree did in hers and what i like in mine. i know weird blotchy stuff is too general, but think u coulod figure it out. i used paint to circle the things that were bugging me too. nice things: the pic is absalutely marvelous. i love the humble greatness it flashed at me too. the horse and those wings is a masterpeace, and the head of the horse is the cherry on top of the ice cream. (i don't like cherries but whatever.) so two thumbs up!
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Post by anvil on Nov 29, 2006 16:41:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the helpful tips I'll try to make it better. Also, about the shoulder part...I've been going to a personalizing academy, filled with wonderful teacher who actually know what they are doing (since I obviously don't). My instructor says that wings should come from the shoulder, as that is where a wing is supposed to branch off. My instructor said: -quote- Think about it. Would wings come of of the stomach? No. There is no muscle there to make the wings flap. It would start from the shoulder. Haven't you ever seen a mythical movie or show with a pegasus? If not, that's ok. But wings must come from the shoulder. Unless you want an unrealistic pegasus...then the wings can come of the butt, for all I care! -un quote- I really trust my teacher and I know she's right, so I tried to blend it near the shoulder as much as possible.
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Post by theft on Nov 29, 2006 16:57:26 GMT -5
wow, i'll keep that in mind when i'm atempting my winged creations. in that case, try to bring the base of the wing closer to the stomache closer to the shoulder. or mayby, use the blur in such a way where we see more of the shoulder's muscle flexing. its blended nicely, but see how its just like some big cloud? i would like to see that horse's cut shoulder man, i think it would bump up the comformation points.
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Post by Tear.dr0ps on Nov 29, 2006 17:02:46 GMT -5
Once again Bringing you Tears Opinion, Brought to you by: Tear's mind
I think you teacher knows a little about waht she's talking about but in a way she doesn't. I know all the best photomakers and painters here in good ol' Missouri and the say to start at the crease of the shoulder leg. Look at a bird sometime, and see the wings and where they are pearcherd. Look at the horses compared to a brid, the have simalar features in terms of their placing of their body. If your horse flew it would fall on it's face from fly, becasue of ballance. But once again just my opioion and i am not saying you did a horrid job, your horse looks better than mine haha
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Post by anvil on Nov 29, 2006 17:33:33 GMT -5
Do you mean the elbow? It's a bit far down...Also, have you ever seen a picture/movie when a person is on a pegasus? Well, they site like you would on a normal horrse, and the wings don't block. I'll dig up a few pictures...made by others of course. i could never make thses masterpieces:
*http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7396/tewrdz7.jpg
Not a great example, but you can see that the wing meets the horse at the shoulder.
*http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7594/stairwayih9.jpg
*notice how to wings line up with the shoulder muscle...yeah. And nine is the best winged horse maker I know.
Anywho...the wing should be along the shoulder line, swooping down toward the elbow if the wing is tucked. I don't know very much when the wings are spread, but...
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Post by theft on Nov 30, 2006 10:49:51 GMT -5
yes but sweety, your wings don't look like that the base of the wings is still atatched to the stomache. try to slice off some parts that hide the neck & move both wings up. continue to study the second picture u posted & collisions siggy. c if that helps u at all. eek, im in major rush
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Post by Tear.dr0ps on Nov 30, 2006 13:06:54 GMT -5
the secong picture, i think the wings are too far fowrads but thats just me!
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Post by theft back in the flesh on Jan 5, 2007 10:37:07 GMT -5
no, no, the second pic has the best wings i've ever seen. i mean, imagine if you were going to ride that horse (english diciplipline but bareback) the wings would be right in front of you like thigh block and so the way im picturing the muscle puzzle when the horse flapped its wings you'd feel the movement right under you seat. try to imgagine a spanish dressage rider on your horse, anvil, preforming a levade. the rider would be sitting awefull close to your horse's butt. that's always what I keep in mind when i'm making wings: how would i ride this horse? would and english saddle fit? what muscle am i "moving" to add these wings? as being the only winged creation i've ever made, give me critique on this job & we'll see the difference
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